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I'm a bit late to the party here.

Going a back a few posts, both my kids ride retro, my son has an 96 Orange P7, but he is mainly on his 29'er these days.

As for prices now and BITD, watch out for them rose coloured specs boys; as I recall my Zaskar LE frame cost me £399 in 1994 and I think the STS-2 was around £1,200 in 97.

I remember the ultra expensive stuff like the Manitou FS being over £2,500, and old copies of MBUK will tell you a Chas Roberts, Dave Lloyd or Dave Yates frame would set you back £900 plus, with a complete bike being between £1,200 and £2,500.

For Christmas we got my daughter a Canyon AL 5.9 29'er, it's a mid range bike, but well put together and ready to go right out of the box, inc delivery it was a touch under £900.

On that subject, I was talking to the LBS manager just before Christmas and he described business at quiet. I remember not so long ago when the shop would stay open until 10 pm on Christmas eve, complete with hot mince pies, so that people could come and collect the bikes they had bought for their kids. 

Back on track now; everyone should have a 90's Zaskar at some point. Love em or hate em, they are a bike way beyond their price point, and if I whisper it very quietly, mine is not so different to ride from some of my hand made steel bikes.
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Great to know both your nippers ride retro Neil. I was trying to sing your praises with your kids riding retro but wasn't 100% sure. I knew your girl does but wasn't sure about your lad? Anyway it's clear now however a little sad they are both own 29ers now (only joshing) but I understand why. I know all of us (well most) tend to look through the rose tinted glasses. I'm holding my hand up here and admitting to that. But I have to be honest there isn't a bike out there modern that makes me want one. Whenever I look for something on eBay it's always a classic bike something from BITD. Why? That's simple I'm a picky tart that likes old quality CNC'D bikes and parts. However I will be honest about it and say this much...... A modern full bouncer as Bob has already pointed out. Is heads and tails better than any retro ride.
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Yes technology has come a long way in the mtb world. Show up on a group ride on a new bouncer and little is said. Bring your retro old school and people take notice. Plus you will have a lot to talk about at the tail end of the group.
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Adder, my son built up his 29'er after riding Mayhem on his Orange. He was just so impressed with the additional speed the 29'ers had, he could not resist. My daughter loves her C16R, and wild horses could not part her from it, but being competitive and feeling the need for more speed (I wonder where the pair of them get that from?), she also wanted to try a 29'er, so the family pooled resources and got her the Canyon.

As for new bikes, with the exception of a really classy Niner full carbon rigid I saw at Haldon (waaaay out of my price range), I have seen nothing that appeals to me, especially full sussers, which to my eyes look like motocross bikes with the engine missing.

I think possibly retro riders come at this from a different direction, perhaps from necessity: I am not trying to get around a trail in the shortest time possible. I am riding to enjoy the trail, the surrounding and the ride. Yes, I like to hack along the downhills at speed, but that's not what it's all about, and one of my cherished memories from recent riding was coming down the rocky, rolling section of the Verderers Trail in the Forest of Dean on my Zaskar and surprising a doe, who was munching away at the side of the trail.

Another aspect of retro riding is reading the trail. So many people on full sussers just crash along, letting the suspension take care of everything, only to then complain that shockers are damaged, pivots wearing out, mech hangars knocked off. Where as the restro rider, especially those on rigids, pay way more attention to the trail and to exactly where they place their wheels, even if that means kicking hard to gain enough speed to ride a bank in a 'wall of death' move, rather than clatter over a rocky slab that could easily end your ride.

Then of course, there are the climbs. My daughter has a friend who is a really superb downhill racer. She is a tough little cooky and one of the most talented riders I have met, and she will ride anything on anything, but her usual ride is a Cannondale Prophet. She is a fit young woman in her twenties and I am a decrpit old geezer in my mid fifties, but I can easily pass Jenny on any climb more than twenty yards long, and I am certain that if she rode a lightweight hardtail or rigid, she would suddenly discover a climbing ability she did not know she had.

I could go on and on, but I think it's fair to say that I think modern bikes are great, because the are getting people out there on bikes. I think trail centres are great, because they give people somewhere to ride. But I am at my happiest on a hill on my bike, slightly lost and with an OS map in my pocket, either in company, on on my own.

I am also chuffed to bits that I can ride those hills with my family.
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Anyone seen or know anything about this? A GT carbon BMX looks interesting.




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Sent a GT RTS out today in the mail. And received one in the mail. Another Team RTS Frame. When is the madness going to end ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                      NOT                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             last rush ebay 025.jpg 

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3 TEAM FRAMES!!! Feck I'm so close to tears here lol.

There's nothing better than a team RTS sorry but there ain't.

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I want them all.  I so sure for the one in the back ground. When I bought it the owner told me he broke 2 rear triangles so he replaced it with the steel version. A RTS it is.
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When and if you sell them..... Give me a shout lol.
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I SO need a Team RTS in my herd one day.... preferably while all my bits are still functional
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I SO need a Team RTS in my herd one day.... preferably while all my bits are still functional


It kind of took me over the hunt for my team bike. I had to build my dream bike and the bike I dreamt of more than any other was of course



Cost me sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much to build BUT I have never wanted a bike more in my life than this.

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I'd rock a Team RTS frame, with the exception of the back brake, fully into the 21st century.

It's gagging for it, it really is.

Not many frames/bikes I'd swap an organ for but that's one. 

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I have been looking for a set of spins that wont break the bank.  Man they do look nice on the RTS. I know what you mean as far as cost. Could have bought a nice new bike for what I dumped into my team. Then how often do you see one on the trail. Folks do take notice. I was out on mine the other day love the ride. nimble, lite,The thing climbs rather well if I do say so my self.
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I'd rock a Team RTS frame, with the exception of the back brake, fully into the 21st century.

It's gagging for it, it really is.

Not many frames/bikes I'd swap an organ for but that's one. 


I'd be interested to see what you'd do to be honest. We will have to find you one I guess.

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I have been looking for a set of spins that wont break the bank.


Spins aren't cheap for a reason matey. Nothing better or nicer out there, that's why I have two sets.

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